Are Independent Thinkers Mentally Ill?
Mark Nestmann (September 16, 2010)
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Since 1990, Mark Nestmann has helped hundreds of clients seeking wealth preservation and international tax planning solutions. He is the author of many books and reports dealing with these subjects and a popular public speaker.
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September 17th, 2010 at 12:31 am
Great article Mark!
September 17th, 2010 at 8:21 am
Dear Mark,
Intersting article!
In retrospect, does it mean that just because we speak out and raise issues of the mentally ill, that we too are mentally ill. I am a social activist here in Singapore and I have been advocating for better support, understanding & compassion for the mentally ill for close to a decade. I don’t see anything wrong with that!
Check out my website & my blog:
http://www.rayofhope.per.sg/
Raymond Anthony Fernando
September 18th, 2010 at 11:42 am
Need to give these drugs to the doctors and the school officals. The dose must be at least 100 times the dose stated. Based on the above I must be one who needs the drugs. OOOOOOOOOOO well
September 18th, 2010 at 11:53 am
I have another word for these psychiatrists, but it would not be appropriate to use since writing it would soil your site, but it involves the sphincter. I like your solution for the psychiatrists, but I think lead treatment as a high rate of velocity shot through a gun as a permanent solution would be better. You can’t fix stupid, which these psychiatrists are. Sadly, people in psychiatry are really no different than in politics. Go against what they want and they can destroy your life.
September 18th, 2010 at 11:59 am
Being a Christian and being ethical and moral you and can communicate along with having an IQ of 155 is considered being mentally ill in this country and my adopted Haitian daughter was told she was crazy by people in our dysfunctional government on all levels and if you try to change an outdated and archaic legal system you are definitely crazy as far as the state is concerned along with being considered psychotic in their minds and we call ourselves a democracy think again.
We are becoming more of a country ruled by authoritarian rule then the nation our founding fathers had envisioned some 300 years ago.
As Patrick Henry once said “Give Me Liberty or Give me Death” and you wonder why we are a nation in decline and it is time for the people to take back their country before it declines any further then it has.
September 18th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
I’m with you.
September 18th, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Mark, happily we already have a built in protection in our constitution almost singularly in the world today. It is our first amendment, the right to express ourselves freely. Ultimately all of the injustices you correctly point out, break down to be violations of the first amendment. Hopefully, even though slow moving, the
powers that be will ultimately see through all the mislabeling falsehoods. That is still what makes the United States unique in all the world and gives us our well earned exceptionalism.
September 18th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
No mention of Big Pharmas role in all this? I’ll bet the farm they provided the funding for the quacks to do their “research”.
September 18th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Psychiatry is a two edged sword,especially when used to demonize any one group or social class.I have seen Psychiatrists try and push mind numbing drugs on people that were forward thinkers and independently minded.I was one of these and God knows I have fought with all my inner strength in order to understand I may be different then the “normal person”, but I have the tendency to see beyond the day to day and realize what the future may hold.
Thank you for the article as it explained a lot to me and that I am not alone.
September 18th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Or maybe the narcissism and entitlement that we see so prevalent among the young is should just be accepted as normal? How the hell can we have a civil society when ‘voters’ are not only ignorant but fiercely proud of their right not to be bothered by the facts? (teabaggers)
September 18th, 2010 at 1:54 pm
You will likely enjoy the below read. It is amazing that Dr. Szasz saw this coming 50 years ago.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/szasz4.1.1.html It is titled “Fifty Years After, ‘The Myth of Mental Illness.’”
September 18th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
“These are not shepherds, but slaughter house union workers,” he said negatively and defiantly. Ignore the prods, jump the fence.”
And with that he ignored the prods and pricks, jumped the fence, and went in search of open pastures.
September 18th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
Oh my God! Mark, you have hit the nail right on the head! For at least the last 10-15 years, I have been voicung my concerns about this very thing and the slapping of people into mental facilities and stigmatizing both adults and children has grown in this country with such rapidity that it is terrifying! It has already gotten to the point that if one speaks up in opposition to what is considered “politically correct” you are destined to be crippled, labeled and disabled by the “psychiatric” community. As a retired RN with YEARS of experience in mental health care and other areas, I have repeatedly seen how “psychiatrists” spend less than 20 minutes with patients and come up with diagnoses, then prescribe as many as 3-5 “mind altering” drugs for them.
September 18th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Great article! Before coming to the end of the article I had already came to the conclusion that our governing elitist are the ones who need help!
I call it “power hungry control freaks” or PHCF
syndrome. Or should I say; “it’s my way or the highway”? We really don’t need a landslide of new names for disorders that don’t exist. A real
psychiatrist would already have learned we are all independent and are free to think for ourselves.
This is the whole idea of being individuals in the first place. Bad idea for us, good idea for them to carry out whatever deviant agenda is currently on the list. I think the American citizen is much smarter than that, and the ones who would fall for this disorder garbage are already in the “need to be counted” department.
The government is all about telling stories that
in my opinion, are actually quite comical. Al
Gore is a great example. I suppose that is why they need to come up with a disorder like ODD.
Hate to have someone actually “think” for themselves. Keep up the good work!
September 18th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
How do we fight this?
September 18th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
The APA standards indicate that shrinks are supposed to do complete batteries of tests, including in depth physical exam of all body systems, labs, and other diagnostic tests along with a complete social, educational and vocational evaluation and psychological testing as well as observing the individuals behavior for at least 6 months before making any sort diagnosis of mental illness. I have seen regular “MD’s” see a patient for as little as 10 minutes, and write diagnoses such as ” anxiety and depression” ( which may be situational and part of the normal coping mechanism in the midst of a crisis in their life) on their charts–This then goes to the insurance companies and health care data banks, and is often tied to your social security number- which can result in having your ability to get a job, your finances, and future ability to access health care or education, etc effected. Talk about the FBI “profiling”–like you said, ANYONE who questions the STATE and their comfiscation of property, or violation of basic constituional and human rights and freedoms is in danger of being “put away”. Often the attitude of the government has been “the beating and torture will cease when the complaining stops!” Oh, yes, and by the way, please don’t mention God or the belief in God or Jesus this is certain to get you labeled as a nut case by the totalitarian state–Shades of 1984, and Farenheit–Look what has happened to our nation while we were sleeping?
September 18th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
I have first hand experience with my daughter who is “ADHD”. Or is it a case of incompetent teachers in classes where there are too many children, who are unable to hold the children’s attention, and are therefore required to have the children drugged so that they fall into the ‘mundane’ child syndrome. Fortunately my daughter is a stronger person who does not submit to being ‘another brick in the wall’ (thank you Pink Floyd).
September 18th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Mark you are SO dead-on about this! The Citizens Commission on Human Rights have been tracking, exposing and battling abuses by the psychiatric industry for years. They have a wealth of information and resources which you may find interesting/useful: http://www.cchr.org/.
Thanks for your insightful writing!
September 18th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
I can’t begin to tell you how much I agree!!!
September 18th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
How else can those in power quickly gain total control over the opposition? If this country is going to become a Socialist nation, the government must find a way to force people into submission. Legal drug dependency is a good way to do that. Big-pharma is taking over our health care at an alarming rate. That is why health care costs are rising so fast. Visit Citizen’s Committee on Human Rights and order their DVD “Marketing of Madness”. It is a real eye-opener. If we don’t stop the corruption in government and big-pharma’s push to make more and more money at the expense of our citizen’s health, we will soon loose the power to control our own minds and bodies. Our new government health care system is the first big step toward total control of every citizen of this country.
In addition, all our doctor’s and psychiatrists have been trained in schools that teach them to administer drugs. Thus,drugs have become the first line of defense for every physical and mental problem. Just try to talk with your doctor about nutritional therapy or other lifestyle changes as the alternative to drugs and see how far you get. Many will tell you that you are crazy and some will go so far as to tell you that, if you don’t follow their drug protocol, they no longer wish to care for you. Doctor’s have been trained to prescribe drugs. Most can not think outside that box. Then again, maybe they are afraid of deviating from the “norm” for fear of being labeled mentally ill….
September 18th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Amen,brother. At first I thought I was reading a page by George Orwell. Then I remembered – we’re already way past 1984.
I’ve always suspected that I’m on the wrong planet. More and more lately, these suspicions are being confirmed.
When I was a growing up I had very little respect for authority. Now I have been around the block a few times and dealt with government and corporate bureaucrats and drones, the “education system” and many members of the vast moron majority (The Sheeple). I have learned how the Bankster-owned governments and Political Prostitution work. As I approach geezerhood, I have absolutely no respect for authority – NONE. The more I learn,the worse it gets.
As far as I can tell, all the main spheres of modern life are rackets and government is organized crime perfected.
Let’s fire the ruling class. Have a nice day.
JDK
September 18th, 2010 at 3:23 pm
Mark, you are right on! I know of a group that has been doing something about psychiatric crimes for years, and very effectively. Look at http://www.CCHR.org if you haven’t already. Thank you Mark!
September 18th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
My ex-husband has ODD-he will argue the color of the sky. He literally will argue everything said to him-that’s one of the reasons he’s my ex, as I just plain got tired of it. A lot of these disorders are different ways of processing info that are not a “problem” in traditional societies. But, as an ADHDer, I can tell you it can be frustrating to function in America today when your brain is literally “a little slow on the uptake”. I welcome being able to choose supplements and meds that can help. My ADHDer son talked daily about killing himself from age 5 until I got him on a med at age 10. My younger son’s ADD kept him from being able to remember letters, words, etc. At age 8 1/2 he was reading at the kindergarten level. Medication has helped him tremendously. But as you point out, the govt. has no business making those decisions.
September 18th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
I want to post the phone number and web address for Citizens Commission on Human Rights. If anyone is under the care of a psychiatrist or physician and is receiving psychiatric medications, the commission can provide information and assistance. The phone number is 1.800.869.2247 and their web address is The commission has offices all over the United States. Their web site is an excellent resource.
September 18th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
Perhaps these doctors names could be published so SOME of of us might go and VISIT them. Personally. Up front, and in their faces. And of course leave with our prescriptions,
September 18th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
I am SO very proud to be a victim of ODD. I am also quite sure that my blood pressure spiked up reading this article.
Seriously? Who do these pinheaded, pencilnecked, obviously testosteronically challenged pseudoscientific sociobiologists think they are?
If for no other reason than that someone would come up with this utter crap, I am going to homeschool my children. I have degrees in biochemistry and mathematics and it will be a VERY cold day in hell before I allow these people to get near my children.
I wish to curse, but no profanity will cover it!
September 18th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
This is classic George Orwellian psychology of our soon vanishing critically thinking America as we knew it. their all robots dancing to the money changers agenda and typical of this day. besides half or more of the population are on mind control prozac ( soma pills for happiness) they want everyone else to conform to the global NWO compliance agenda. This is our new country!!!
September 18th, 2010 at 5:06 pm
asshole
September 18th, 2010 at 5:07 pm
Perhaps the intention of this article points out valid concerns. On the other hand, with everyone’s finances being challenged, insurance will not cover anything that is not in DSM. Certainly many of us have ODD symptoms; however, most can chose when to allow these feeling to surface. If a person can not control their behavior/feelings and they are employed–perhaps they need a shrink. They or their employers would be more willing to explore options if health insurance could give short term assistence.
September 18th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Here, here. Psychiatry has gotten away with it long enough, it’s time to step in and stop them.
Psychiatry is social control masquerading as help, pure and simple.
DSM-V will be a huge money machine, nothing more.
September 18th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Down, boy. I know where you’re coming from—I’m on your side—but there are disturbed people out there who are patently deviant, chronically and acutely. I’ve worked with them for forty years as a clinical psychologist. You make good points, though, about Nazi Germany and Communist Russia, and I guess anything is possible, even here. I think I’m just wanting you to avoid taking cheap shogts.
September 18th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
The DSM is not published or influenced by the government. It’s published by the American Psychological Association; an organization so reputable that it’s standards for publication are taught in colleges across the nations.
I am a volunteer at an elementary school and ODD isn’t about not wanting to lie down at nap time. Violation of social norms refers to refusing to refrain from violence, severe bullying, and situations similar. These are the children who can not function in our world and (as misguided as our customs are) face a lifetime of self imposed-isolation. These are the kids who could have been misdiagnosed with autism. The revision of the DSM is just that: a Revision. The psychological researchers who participate in the publication do not invent new disorders. They review parameters and redefine for more accurate diagnosis.
As far as medication goes, children are NEVER medicated without the consent of their parents and the decision to continue or discontinue medication lies in the hands of licensed medical professionals, not the government. Not to mention, medication usually goes hand in hand with cognitive or behavioral therapy. The accusation that Mozart would have been diagnosed with ADD is absolutely ridiculous. His ability to compose actually shows a brilliant capacity to focus.
Your argument has some very basic flaws, mainly lack of knowledge. Look into the history of the DSM, the APA, and review the new diagnoses and you’ll see that no one is trying to medicate you into following social norms.
September 18th, 2010 at 5:26 pm
Down, boy. I know where you’re coming from—I’m on your side—but there are disturbed people out there who are patently deviant, chronically and acutely. I’ve worked with them for forty years as a clinical psychologist. You make good points, though, about Nazi Germany and Communist Russia, and I guess anything is possible, even here. I think I’m just wanting you to avoid taking cheap shots.
September 18th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Is that drug bipartisan if not the problem starts all over again if not worse.
September 18th, 2010 at 5:44 pm
I agree 100%. Government sits up all night trying to come up with ways to control. Of course, one of the most effective ways is to be expunged from society by your own kind for not adhearing to the status quo.
I have always wondered in amazement, why are people afrid to think for themselves and why nobody seems to pay attention anymore? Because political corrrectness took care of all of that. Political correctness is nothing but a terminal social cancer.
Joe Lawless
September 18th, 2010 at 6:03 pm
Why do I suddenly feel like jumping ship before it goes down in flames? Or worse, i get captured and forcibly medicated?? Germany is suddenly looking so much safer! Or perhaps Saint Kitts, or Canada
September 18th, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Mark:
Good piece! I’ve noticed a similar trend among activist pediatricians–pretty much everything we do with our children now, and anything we feed them, and anything in our environment imperils their health and well-being. We live in a world with mostly luxury problems!
September 18th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
Yeah, I wonder where it will all end? With me moving to a less intrusive location where freedom is still the norm…or maybe I have OCDTBF disease: Over Compulsion To Be Free!
September 18th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
This is just what the former Soviet Union did to it’s citizens who would dare critize communism – the Soviets figured that anyone who was opposed to communism must be crazy & therefore needed psychiatric help – their psychiatric hospitals were just a small step above their gulags – in the hospitals you were often bound with wet canvas which when it would dry out would shrink around your body & sometimes crack your bones – you would be given the drug Thorazin which would turn you into a zombie – psychiatric patients were often beaten because they would not conform – I gues this is more “change” coming from the Obama administration…
September 18th, 2010 at 7:33 pm
Amen! We need far more awareness of these kind of “sacred cow” type dangers. Thank you.
September 18th, 2010 at 7:58 pm
A great article. It prepares us to be a subject–a slave who serves usually don’t question authority. What a future awaits for us!
September 18th, 2010 at 9:30 pm
Great insight into our brave new world. It’s part of the new world order agenda to keep the people from revolution. Globalism is the disease and the us constitution is the cure.
September 18th, 2010 at 9:42 pm
You have to be more precise in my opinion.
September 18th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
I agree completely, The main component of education today is instilling the mental outlook of submission and conformity and don’t worry be happy. You do not even have to be starkly different from others just disagree with a perceived authority figure in a public place and others consider you to be a trouble maker at best or a terrorist at worst. God forbid if you express a liking for guns or the contitution or being pro-life, then you are really dangerous!
Within a few generations the majority of people have been thoroughly lobotamized by being exposed to too much brainwashing on television and subliminals undetected by the senses. On top of that if you don’t have the money for a clean diet organic foods, BPA free packaging etc., your body is sickened with the chemical cocktail diet pushed on the American people and their children.
Of course there are options if one is not too brainwashed to think to look!
September 19th, 2010 at 12:43 am
The psychiatists are nuts!
September 19th, 2010 at 1:24 am
What an extremely frightening article. The Scientologists have been screaming about this sort of thing for at least 43 years. Now you’re telling us that young or old, if we disagree with government, want them to simply leave us alone, or want to do our own creative thinking (or writing) they’ll have legal leverage to turn us into zombies. There was a time when no one could force health treatment upon you if you refused it. Now perhaps the government will treat you whether you want it or not because, after all, they know best and we must be protected from ourselves. Dr. Steve Newdell, Look for my free books at http://www.BH2012.com
September 19th, 2010 at 3:11 am
I feel with the present social disorder, and rogue government that the purposed mentioned psychosis’ will in time make the DSM. Just give the crooks a little more time, they don’t mined taking a little of it see a plan come to completion.
September 19th, 2010 at 6:16 am
Dear Mark,
I just want to congratulate you for having been able to see beyond the “invention” of these psychiatric “mental illnesses” and contributing towards the opening of people’s eyes. America and the world is slowly waking up (in part thanks to the works of CCHR) and questioning all these normal behaviors that psychiatry has decided to consider mental illnesses.
For more information on this subject, I invite you to checkout this website: http://www.cchr.org .
Please continue the good work and thanks again.
I’ll be spreading this article wide and far.
Rod.
September 19th, 2010 at 10:02 am
Mozart would be classed as having attention deficit disorder for sitting down for hours composing? Yes that makes complete sense…
Your article really irritated me. You seem to be getting annoyed because you want a reaction rather than actually looking at the information in front of you. You gloss over the words ‘Hostile’ which to me seems the most important part, and disregard that someone who just had strong political views would agree with an authority figure who felt the same, some thing that would not occur with ODD.
And surely violating the rights of others is what our morality is based upon? If you disagree with that, you disagree with kidnapping being wrong. How can classing conduct “wherein the rights of others” are affected as perfectly normal social behaviour be acceptable?
I don’t think I would class arrogance and cynicism as a mental health problem, but I think people like you have a serious personality problem.
September 19th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Bingo! Institutionalizing the psychiatrists is the best answer I’ve ever heard! Truth be told, these folks are in that profession due to their mental problems in many cases.
September 19th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
The politicians or pharmaceutical companies that are coming up with these ridiculius laws are really going over board
September 19th, 2010 at 1:39 pm
The point overall has merit. But I do not think a prodigy that produces work manifesting advanced ability that requires a highly focused effort in the absence of other more disturbing behavior will be diagnosed with ADHD anymore than for example, Sarah Chang or on the other side Evgeny Kissin have. (Of course, there is the late Jascha Heifetz who noted, with greater authority than most psychiatrists, that child prodigism is a disease that is generally fatal. But that disease is probably not in the DSM, yet.)
This is even more insidious (ref Dr. Szasz) than more recent dangers such as the potential broad use of the designation “enemy combatant” to incarcerate without warrant or due process since the medical community is nearly exempt from due process restraints without the much attention being paid to it.
But since you appear to be a member of the libertarian/money uber alles sect of the free market religion you might take time to recognize the commercial rather than political roots of what you describe. The driving force behind the raising of awareness of ever more diseases, physical and mental, is the availability of products to treat them. This process is unleashing a torrent of toxins into our lives and the development, testing and marketing processes are much corrupted by financial conflicts of interest and contrived testing procedures at all levels. The composers of the DSM are up to their eyeballs in grant money and direct fees obtained from industry.
A famous doctor one noted that if the materia medica were dumped into the ocean it would better for man and worse for the fish. After a span when the bogus remedies of the ignorant past were replaced by many real discoveries we are, led by market forces, now entering a new era when the doctor’s remark has never been more true.
September 19th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Mark,
You are right on . . . I am so thankful someone has the clarity of mind and courage to speak truth about the pharmaceutical-psychiatric profit machine that is destroying millions of lives each and every day. I had my own run in with these people back in the 70s but lived to tell the tale. Today I am a songwriter and peace activist (yes I do not like obeying authority) and so thankful to have my life free of medications of any kind. The psychiatrists and bureaucrats almost destroyed my life but today I am healthy in mind body and spirit and highly energized to help get truth out despite the overwhelming power of the corporate control machine. Keep telling people the truth about these phony mental disorders which are just a sick scheme for more profits.
Sharleen
September 19th, 2010 at 2:08 pm
This article was recently linked from a couple of other forums with comments about what you have written. It is not hard to extrapolate where these “conditions” will go once the government gets ahold of them. Free thinkers and those who do not agree with the governing powers could end up in asylums “for their own protection”.
September 19th, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Gentlemen:
Since when is psychiatry “supposed” to replace common sense? Who gave that profession the right to think like me? I didn’t for sure, and the dumbbells out there should realize that that profession “gave themselves that authority”. Naturally with the “blessing of our academic institutions, that also “knighted themselves”
The whole system was/is set up to “crook” the dumbbells out there and they are successful because we don’t lack “dumbbells”
College education does not “guarantee that they don’t produce dumbbells since it only takes a “good memory” to get good grades in our educational system, and “memory” is not criteria of what “good sense is all about”
How do I know? I have “good common sense” and again anyone with good “common sense” “knows the difference” and knowing the difference does NOT require a college degree! i.e. Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Edison and even our first USA president George Washington, none of them had a formal education – Oh yes, I forgot Benjamin Franklin, perhaps the “best” example of them all!
Dr. Maurice Rothman, PHd
September 19th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Great stuff! (Although frightening stuff.) Your article lends further fodder to a conversation I had with an M.D. friend of mine not too long ago. During that talk, we discussed the reported numbers of Americans with mental illness. You know, more of its citizens are mentally ill than anywhere else on earth? (Either because they’re more apt to be diagnosed or because their government drives them nuts, I guess.) Anyway, the number is reported to be about 25% of all Americans. Yet, my friend the M.D. says she believes the number to be closer to 50% of the population. Now, if that number were true, that means no less than HALF of those in D.C. are totally out of their minds, clinically speaking. Does that surprise anyone???
September 19th, 2010 at 5:24 pm
Ah geez Mark, don’t you realize psychiatrists have to make a buck too? Not to mention all those drug companies who’re absolutely slavering over the potential opportunities of lifetime addictions.
George Orwell’s “1984″ was just the leading edge. Time for a full-scale block-buster movie upgrade on that one.
September 19th, 2010 at 8:28 pm
Thanks for writing this and joining the rest of us in the fight against such mindless control.
September 19th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
Hi Mark – read your article ref ‘institutionalized psychiatrists’ – completely agree – there IS in my view an unpleasant trend in this direction which HAS been moving that way for decades.
I thoroughly endorse and resonate with what you have said. I’ll follow more of what you say – thanks.
September 19th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
Your a Communist.
September 20th, 2010 at 1:38 am
I am a psychiatrist (unapologetic by the way) but do support most of what you are saying here. I caution that it becomes fairly simple to be against any and or for everything. I feel that it is possible to provide helpful service to people with serious mental illness without generalizing and, trust me when I say, that serious mental illness is not always an “overmedication psychosis” just as all financial advice is not always tainted by corruption and fearmongering. We, have, as a people, lost much of our capacity to modulate and are much more comfortable marginalizing and protecting our own turf than reasoning to middle ground. Thanks for the thought provocation, Rob Johnson, shrunk but not a sellout.
September 20th, 2010 at 3:25 am
On “Are Independent Thinkers Mentally Ill?”, great statement ! Thanks for speaking up ! Now if we all realized this, and that something should be done about it; we win. If we don’t do something about it and this type of activity grows; we lose as humanity.
Eddie.
September 20th, 2010 at 4:21 am
Hey Mark,
I 100% agree with you. I like your approach: institutionalizing the psychiatrists that came up with all these new disorders, for “overmedication psychosis” – haha! Perfect!
September 20th, 2010 at 5:49 am
As a psychiatrist and opponent of much of the new proposed DSM 5 you should realize that any functional group, professional or otherwise, has members who disagree and that “political” fights are common. For example, there is outrage expressed by the DSM4 (not 5) chair regarding this trend, which you rightly characterize as pathologizing everyday life. Your view is widely held by many psychiatrists. DSM 5 casts “too broad a net” and its categories are not aimed at mental disorders but are typing syndromes of behavior that do not deserve the status of “diagnosis”. This is not good science or psychiatry. Let’s see if the profession can correct this trend so your article’s concerns won’t be actualized, regarding the DSM 5 expansion. We don’t need to institutionalize anyone for their ideas.
September 20th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Now I know what’s wrong with me after all these years………. Thank you very much for this information.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:17 am
I did not expect that post to go anywhere. And you are not running a real news or comment site anyway. You are running a marketing campaign to sell dubious services to paranoid fringe investors as you have every right to do.
September 20th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Thank you for being concerned and spotting one more insidious trend towards an Orwellian State.
However I don’t accept the popular lie that liberal politics equals the eroding of personal freedoms and conservative equals the restoration of our rights. We lost more rights to the Bush administration than to all the previous Democratic administrations. Not to mention the fact that Bush was responsible for turning a balanced budget into a deficit with reckless spending; another fact that we’ve been manipulated into ignoring.
September 20th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
“losing one’s temper, annoying people and being “touchy”” can all be symptoms of trauma-based mind control (brainwashing or psychotherapy or whatever euphemism you prefer), to which the people of this nation and the world are being subjected on a massive scale. Personally, I believe that tragedies such as Columbine, Virginia Tech and others like that are, in large part, cases of “psychotherapy in the wild” gone horribly wrong (in other words, those who afterwords bemoaned the fact that they “knew there was something wrong with these people but didn’t have the authority to do enough about it” were in fact attempting to covertly “do something about it” in an environment they couldn’t control, which is very dangerous). The kind of covert aggression use in instances like that tends to make independent minded people very angry, to the point that they sometimes strike out at the innocent people around them (if they can’t discern the real source of the aggression being committed against them). We are not just facing idiotic political ideology, we are facing a psychotherapy cult that is infiltrating all levels of society. And the psychiatrists and psychologists and politicians and other “leaders of society” are just chief among the brainwashed. To anyone who wants to maintain control of your mind, if you don’t really understand how trauma based mind control works, I’d recommend that you start learning because, once you do, you will see it all around you in the world today. The book “The Manipulated Mind” by Denise Winn is a good place to start, in my opinion.
September 20th, 2010 at 7:55 pm
Is this another form of socialism indoctrination under the guise of science?So if you think outside of the box you are defiant!! Are we in Cuba or Russia?
September 20th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
My concern is that every generation 20 percent are labeled and drugged. Later on, maybe 50 years from now, one federal law that prevents anyone with any “mental illness” from owning a firearm. There goes the Second Amendment.
September 20th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
Here in America people have been incarcerated in psychiatric units because of their political beliefs. They have also been conserved because they came into money and had a history of mental illness giving them an immediate inability to handle their own money, although on social security they were doing just fine and did not have a repayee. So if these changes are added to the list of diseased minds in this country it will allow a lesser degree of proof and lesser court standing, civil rather than criminal, to incarcerate folks because they disagree with their government.
The Constitution of the United States gives every citizen the right to disagree and to address those disagreements with the government. Seems now the psychiatric professionals are taking rights away in the name of mental illness.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:08 am
Mark,
Psychiatry collectively suffers from a serious mental disorder called “psychiatry uber alles” or “terminal psychiatric supremecy disorder”. Their arrogance is monumental. They destroy themselves with their insufferable superiority.
Richard
September 21st, 2010 at 2:09 am
So-long as World Capitalism is permitted to dictate rules. Insanity will prevail and generate from the top down. Abolish private property, the money-wages system and production for profit on world markets. Establish Common Ownership worldwide along with a money-less production for USE economy. To satisfy with a sustainable abundance, the needs and reasonable wants for ALL humanity including free access. http://wspus.org/
September 21st, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Sadly, as psychiatry becomes less efficient at healing legitimate human afflictions, the medications they prescribe become more dangerous as agents of control and containment.
A clinical psychologist, I chose the profession of psychology over psychiatry because I never wanted to be tempted to medicate when there might be other, less invasive, means of healing. I greatly appreciated those MDs, with whom I worked, who had the sense to know the difference between pathological states and simple lack of societal compliance. Lately, they are harder to find.
September 21st, 2010 at 3:35 pm
All the descendants of signatories to the Declaration of Independence and those who supported it are mentally ill, those who wrote that dubious and preposterous “manual” included.
The lizzies are waxing desperate.
September 21st, 2010 at 4:18 pm
Sociologists, Psychologists and lawyers have been
the cause of the degeneration of the West since
the 60′s
September 21st, 2010 at 5:29 pm
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September 21st, 2010 at 5:48 pm
We’re on opposite ends of the spectrum on a lot of issues, but we’re totally on the same page with this one. This issue has been bothering me for a few years now, when my daughter was diagnosed with ADD and the doctor involved was talking about it being “co-morbid” with “ODD”… then, this week, the BC Attorney General started trying to have a Vancouver environmental activist incarcerated for life as a “chronic offender” for organizing sit ins on logging roads, etc, based on the idea that environmentalism is a mental illness and it was causing her to re-offend, using precedents from cases involving child molesters … the woman in question is 83, a part of the Vancouver “Raging Grannies” chapter, so we’re not talking about Black Bloc types here…
http://creekside1.blogspot.com/2010/09/life-sentence-for-betty-krawczyk-really.html
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September 21st, 2010 at 6:47 pm
Might want to look at what the DSM actually says about these disorders before jumping to such paranoid fantasy about them.
ODD goes quite a bit past “violating social norms”:
Oppositional Defiant Disorder is defined as an enduring pattern of uncooperative, defiant, and hostile behavior toward authority figures that does not involve major antisocial violations, is not accounted for by the child’s developmental stage, and results in significant functional impairment. A certain level of oppositional behavior is common in children and adolescents.
It should be considered a disorder only when the behaviors are more frequent and intense than in unaffected peers and when they cause dysfunction in social, academic, or work-related oppositional defiant disorder, oppositional disorder, defiant.
For at least 6 months, these person’s show defiant, hostile, negativistic behavior; 4 or more of the following often apply:-
Losing temper.
Arguing with adults.
Actively defying or refusing to carry out the rules or requests of adults.
Deliberately doing things that annoy others.
Blaming others for own mistakes or misbehavior.
Being touchy or easily annoyed by others.
Being angry and resentful.
Being spiteful or vindictive.
The symptoms cause clinically important distress or impair work, school or social functioning.
The symptoms do not occur in the course of a Mood or Psychotic Disorder.
The symptoms do not fulfill criteria for Conduct Disorder.
If older than age 18, the patient does not meet criteria for Antisocial Personality Disorder.
September 21st, 2010 at 6:49 pm
And conduct disorder:
Conduct Disorder
A pattern of repetitive behavior where the rights of others or the social norms are violated and in which the basic rights of others or major age-appropriate societal norms or rules are violated, as manifested by the presence of three (or more) of the following criteria in the past 12 months, with at least one criterion present in the past 6 months:
Aggression to people and animals:
Often bullies, threatens, or intimidates others.
Often initiates physical fights.
Has used a weapon that can cause serious physical harm to others.
Has been physically cruel to people.
Has been physically cruel to animals.
Has stolen while confronting a victim.
Has forced someone into sexual activity.
Destruction of property:
Has deliberately engaged in fire setting with the intention of causing serious damage.
Has deliberately destroyed others’ property (other than by fire setting).
Deceitfulness or theft:
Has broken into someone else’s house, building, or car.
Often lies to obtain goods or favors or to avoid obligations (i.e., “cons” others).
Has stolen items of nontrivial value without confronting a victim (e.g., shoplifting, but without breaking and entering; forgery).
Serious violations of rules:
Often stays out at night despite parental prohibitions, beginning before age 13 years.
Has run away from home overnight at least twice while living in parental or parental surrogate home (or once without returning for a lengthy period).
Is often truant from school, beginning before age 13 years.
The disturbance in behavior causes clinically significant impairment in social, academic, or occupational functioning.
If the individual is age 18 years or older, criteria are not met for Antisocial Personality Disorder.
September 21st, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Looking at this entry as well as the comments I draw my own conclusion:
The Soviet Union held dissidents in mental hospitals. They denied the fact that they did. The US denies that it holds political prisoners. Cuba also denies that it hold political prisoners. What’s the common denominator? All three governments were and still are lying about the facts under the guise of “interpretation”.
I moved abroad and gave up my US citizenship a few years ago. I still think that it is one of the best decisions that I ever made……
September 21st, 2010 at 7:09 pm
I guess I’m mentally ill… but I’m fine with that! Following the general population is over-rated!
September 21st, 2010 at 7:38 pm
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September 21st, 2010 at 7:48 pm
I guess I’m a mentally disturbed individual because I do not trust authority or MSM or guberment or people or dogs or cats or birds or rats or mice or fish or birds oh I said birds already.
What a bunch of JERkS
September 21st, 2010 at 8:46 pm
I don’t have a problem with authority, authority has a problem with me…and this proves it.
September 21st, 2010 at 8:57 pm
In answer to your question, no way! I like your attitude about people who discourage the questioning of popular and so called “expert” thinking. Anyone who thinks they are “superior” to regular people who think for themselves doesn’t understand success. Most great accomplishers have questioned the norm, thought for themselves and gone out to do great things against the “status quo” of what experts said could or couldn’t be done.
Great stuff Mark.
September 21st, 2010 at 10:03 pm
I had the pleasure of telling a judge in NC that he frivolously committed a woman because he didn’t like that she interrupted a meeting in his church. As for the DSM, in the psychiatry/psychology business, you must prescribe in order to get paid. I’m curious as to what “new” drugs will come out to treat these disorders.
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September 21st, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Many Americans have the mind set of a Parrot!
Their schools produce herd-oriented people incapable of critical thinking & unable of making independent judgments – A fact PROVEN by Federal Documentation in, “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of Am…erica”, by Charlotte Iserbyt, Senior Policy Advisor in the Office of Educational Research and Improvement (OERI), U.S. Department of Education, during the first Reagan Administration – Free downloadable book!
Instead they graduate prepared to submit to external authorities for direction in their lives
School is the advertising agency which makes you believe that you need the society as it is; employs the rote memorization of factoids to teach you the illusion that they and a friend have twice the political influence of David Rockefeller
Don’t expect the Americans to understand they followed the Brits & French in world hegemony & imperialistic conquest
Their education was designed by Rockefeller & Dewey – Who used the writings of Hagel & Wundt, (the creators of communism). American education is nothing more than social conditioning
September 22nd, 2010 at 1:07 am
Actually, independent thinking vs collective thinking (wolf vs sheep) is ingrained in our DNA.
to Quote: “… researchers found that most people in countries widely described as collectivist have a specific mutation within a gene regulating the transport of serotonin, a neurochemical known to profoundly affect mood…. In China and other east Asian nations, for example, up to 80 percent of the population carry this so-called “short” allele, or variant, of a stretch of DNA known as 5-HTTLPR…research has shown the S allele to be strongly linked with a range of negative emotions, including anxiety and depression…it is also associated with the impulse to stay out of harm’s way. By contrast, in countries of European origin, that prize self-expression and the pursuit of individual over group goals, the long or “L” allele dominates, with only 40 percent of people carrying the “S” variant.”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jbmNYV4bVa620tYFdux8Vep3ZdbA
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September 22nd, 2010 at 4:21 am
I have no great love for psychiatry as it is practiced today, and I too am concerned about a number of changes made in the course of producing the most recent version of the DSM, as well as the lack of revision regarding certain illnesses—though there have been good changes as well with respect to others, and while I agree also with the basic points of this article, I can’t help but notice that it treats the topic in a superficial manner designed more to frighten and anger readers than to impart a deeper and broader knowledge of the issue that would better serve to foster debate that might serve as a catalyst for eventual change. Like the vast majority of media coverage on any topic, it’s more about pushing metaphorical buttons and getting readers to agree in a knee-jerk manner. While advocating on the surface the right to free and independent thought, really it acts as a tool to stifle it with the very linguistic constructions it employs. Very disappointing.
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:20 am
Thank you for writing this article. The topic is important and people need to be informed of the reality that we are facing. It provided me with much food for thought.
It is all part of a bigger plan to dumb us down and make us subservient and compliant to authority. The plans to create a nation of sheeple was set in motion back in the early 20th century (check out Charles Lindbergh’s speech to Congress circa 1917). Our votes don’t really elect our highest officials – they are preselected and respond to the Higher Power of “they”. Our children spend anywhere from 10-18 years in school but what do they learn. They learn how to obey the rules or they will be punished. They memorize endlessly rather than learning how to think critically. Studies show that teachers aren’t even capable of setting assignments that require critical thinking. Critical thinkers are dangerous, you see. There are no longer funds for arts and music – but somehow the cheerleaders and football team always survive… again regimented activities rather than nurturing the creative spirit. Competition for grades and schools and the kids that can’t keep up get left in the dust and then become depressed adults in dead end jobs with the requisite mortgage (think housing bust), 2.5 kids and/or alimony and/or child support and probably a prescription for psychiatric meds. I don’t wonder where psychiatric diagnoses come from… they are shafting us and we are letting them. We go quietly like lambs to slaughter. We believe our politicians have our best interests at heart. The media plays right into the scheme, telling us what they want to us to hear. Psychiatry and the drug industry are just another tool the ubiquitous “they” – the men behind the curtain, if you will – use to dumb us down, shut us up, knock us out, suck out our spirits so, when all is said and done, they (and those of their choosing) are the only ones left and the world will become their playground.
This has been happening for a long, long time now. Now, however, more than ever before, people are learning truth. People are hooking up on line, on places like Facebook, and sharing videos, taped interviews, information that is now unclassified, ideas and opinions that resonate with others who have a sneaking suspicion that something is rotten in Denmark… errrr, the United States of America.
I am not a conspiracy nut… I am a truth nut. I read and read and read and check facts, check studies, always looking to validate what I believe in my gut to be true.
I do believe that their arrogant belief that they can truly quiet us all will be their downfall. There are many of us out here who “know” a different truth and the crowds are growing thicker by the day.
I live in hope. Namaste
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Thank you for your article but it barely touches on how very serious a problem this is & I fear it is decades too late. I make that statement after spending the past 20 years specializing in the adverse reactions to the drugs they push as the cures for all of these so called disorders & testifying in the cases of antidepressant induced violence. (Database of cases posted at http://www.ssristories.com)
These drugs are perfeced versions of PCP or LSD designed to very gradually produce the same psychotic reactions. That way the focus is removed from the drug & the patient can be blaimed for becoming insane (example Andrea Yates) & the drug pushers & drug makers continue to walk away blameless in the eyes of society!
Just from 1994 to 2003 Bipolar Disorder increased by 4000%! They created this huge increase with these so called antidepressant medications notorious for producing this devastating side effect!!!
Case of damned if you do & damned if you don’t. So you think you can just get off the meds in order to prevent such a reaction . . . Not so fast! Going off the meds too quickly will produce a manic or bipolar reaction even faster! You are stuck needing to take months, or generally a year or longer shaving tiny particules off your pill to regain your sanity. This entire situation is a national tragedy!
Dr. Ann Blake Tracy, Executive Director,
International Coalition for Drug Awareness
http://www.drugawareness.org & http://www.ssristories.com
September 22nd, 2010 at 12:23 pm
I must have ODD, without question. Our elitists have the GOD disorder without question which is a mistaken belief that they can be hypocrits because they are naturally born “Gods” and “Lords of the Earth” simply because they were born into more wealth and power than your average bear.
Funny, I didn’t really see this disorder listed in the DSM. I’ll send them a note that this God disorder has resulted in the murder of millions throughout history. I’ll expect it included in the next edition of the DSM.
September 22nd, 2010 at 3:25 pm
Without emotions what are we? ignore this riduculous proposal, its a peice of shit walk away and laugh at it. and the people who propose it.
September 22nd, 2010 at 3:52 pm
Mark,
Great article. These guys will do anything to make a buck. These “disorders” or “illnesses” are concocted by a someone throwing it out on the floor of a convention and through a show of hands yet another disorder is born…no scientific proof, just random opinions.
The more information like this that gets out there, the more folks are inclined to consider these guys are ones that are in serious need of meds.
Thanks again. J Cuddy, Boston, MA (the psychiatric capital of the world)
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September 22nd, 2010 at 4:05 pm
I will state my hypothesis counter to their argument.
If it were not for great defiance of authority, The world would be a much different place.
What about the 13 Colonies who defied Britain, What about France and England who would not subjugate to German rule? What about ANY revolution in history?
Surely these so called Psych professionals are lost in there own reality, and are also some of the ones who really need the most help.
Surely its inspired by evil, and by some to attempt to lay the foundations for Totalitarian Control.
Even the founders and any one with common sense knows, If men are given too much authority/power — They will “ruin” everything. Without God and Morality — It is the destiny of Man.
September 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 pm
They haven’t come for me yet, and I’ve posted this in many places:
Our biggest enemies are white, were born here, and call themselves “Liberals” and progressives to hide their evil communist tendencies.
It will take many expensive suits hanging along Penn. Ave. to fix this mess if it can be fixed, and an extensive “Liberal” season whereby we force the amerikan communist insurgents out of the country or kill enough of them to restore Liberty.
It’s way past time to stop hunkering down for the apocalypse and to prepare for the fight that must come because it will be forced upon us by the powers who want to always be.
Don’t understand? Start here:
http://willowtown.com/promo/quotes.htm
September 22nd, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Wait, what? Is this a joke? our country is turning into Nazi Germany! So, fluoride in the water is good for you. (one of many examples) If you think its bad your crazy! wow …Fluoride was used in the Nazi concentration camps on the Jews. Now it’s being forced on us…. Why don’t all of you read the Dream act that is going through congress… Or read up on how President Obama’s aunt lives illegally in Boston living in government homes receiving welfare….
September 22nd, 2010 at 7:50 pm
A wonderful article. I retired from teaching in 1965 because parents and local sch. dists. were losing control and it just kept on going towards total “authority” control, with citizens no longer being part of the authority. I LOVED the vitality and creativity of those students now labeled ADD or ADHD, etc.! THEY were the spark that livened the class. Of course I was taught HOW to teach, not what to teach. So, that may have been part of my motivation??? The world NEEDS round, square and triangular pegs. We (society) must also provide the shapes necessary for them!!!
September 22nd, 2010 at 9:54 pm
This is a great article. When I was an undergraduate I did a research paper on Sluggish Schizophrenia. That is the official diagnosis used by the Soviets when they wanted to discourage and limit independent thinkers in the Soviet Union. They would commit people to psychiatric institutions in Siberia for symptoms like, delusions of human rights, growing a beard, and questioning the authority of the government. After hospitalizing them the “treatment” was high doses of psychotropic medications and elcetroshock and insulin shock.
It was horrific. This actually happened in the 1980s. It is not ancient history.
Dr. Linda Erlich
September 22nd, 2010 at 11:07 pm
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September 23rd, 2010 at 6:43 am
You might like my tshirts I design around this idea that normal is a good thing.
Here are some not normal people:
Mozart, Einstein,Mother Teresa, Marie Curie, Gandhi, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Thomas Edison, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander the Great, etc
I hightlight this idea in a humorous way in my store.
I love your idea of what to do to shrinks.
September 23rd, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Sorry, sir, but you are totally off base here. I have cared for a child with ODD. It is real. It has nothing to do with adults. Nor does it have anything to do with independent thinking. In plain language ODD means “p****d off at the world”. The youngster I cared for definitely was that. Of course if you knew his background and upbringing prior to coming to the Children’s Home where I worked you would agree (with his Mother and the Psychologist who was working with him) that POed at the world was a rational response to his life.
But ODD is not something that applies or is applied to adults.
Bad Cyborg X%er
Burying your head in the sand only makes your a** a better target.
September 23rd, 2010 at 7:01 pm
Thank GOD! I posted this to a list I am on and got a SCATHING email from someone saying I’m “not thinking systematically”…double speak for not agreeing with her tunnel vision. This country wants everyone to “toe the line”, to conform to “normal” behaviors (please, what’s normal?)…they want us all drugged and zombies and not challenge the “norm”. Thank you for writing this.
September 24th, 2010 at 2:18 am
Interesting article! All my life, my mom, who’s a lesbian, has always made me think there is something wrong with me. I’ve been to so many psychiatrists & psychologists to count, yet I’ve come to the conclusion that I suffer from A.S.S.S. (anti subserviant sheep syndrome). I guess that’s just my words for suffering from O.D.D. Oh well, most of us loonytunes are gonna be headed for the FEMA camps if this Socialist crap continues much longer.
September 24th, 2010 at 12:59 pm
It happenes in russia and europe. The next is the US and a third times a charm.
September 24th, 2010 at 5:18 pm
hi mark, ur article is very intersting and scaring.
As i am not a doctor but an ingeneer,and i want to validate what u state, could u tell me which exactely is the latest version of ” Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM). ” u talk about and in which part of the book I can find those new otrageus diseases ?
One I can personally validate that u are right, i’ll help in spreading the word.
I admit i wouldn-t be surprised if u were totally right,I hate thoses NWO plans to control human beings, but i need to validate by myself before.
thank
mark
September 25th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Good points, Mark. Doctors and psychiatrists primarily diagnose and drug these days, a pale shadow of what advanced, cause-oriented, and inquisitive medicine might be.
Doctors are dumbed down by their training (paid for and directed mostly by pharmaceutical overlords). They are ingrained with a clubish sort of arrogance, and taught ignorance of the most important input for or against health: nutrition.
ON the other hand, they are greatly rewarded financially by Big Pharma and by their ‘profession’ for prescribing drugs. If you want the real lowdown on drug companies and their various and sordid practices, read Melody Petersen’s ‘Our Daily Meds’ or ‘Comfortably Numb’ by Charles Barber.
Medicine, by admission of honest docs, is over 50 years, or you could say, 500 years behind ‘natural healers’ and relevant discoveries using natural elements (nutrients/herbs) to successfully treat (knockout) most disease at its source: cellular malnourishment and out-of-balance organs and systems.
Have you seen, the DVD ‘Marketing of Madness’? It presents the historical genesis of the widespread use of pharmaceuticals in this country for the bewildering array of ‘mental illnesses’ without any direct lab tests to diagnose them.
You have obviously heard the hideously-manipulated phrase ‘chemical imbalance in the brain’. This DVD hits a lot of key points about how we got to where we are. It seems a bit contrived at times but does a good job generally and gives a lot of pertinent statistics on drug use and sales, the basic moves to drug depression and ‘psychosis’, or anything that moves in the brain…
We now have over 300 ‘mental disorders’ in the DSM-V, or is it 6, I can’t keep track…they left out the biggest disorder of all, which is a real mental illness, and that is the phony idea that ‘mental illnesses’ exist and can be drugged out of the body. So legally, and certifiably, I would say psychiatrists have the only mental illness, which is thinking there is such a thing. Counseling and behaviori modification is in order…
I want to go into business as a counslor for psychiatrists going through grief and growing pains as they discover what they have been doing ot millions of disturbed Americans has been causing great harm, is non-scientific at the deepest levels, and they have been deceived by their masters.
Oh, it’s going to be a successful practice…
“Yes, doc, you need to taper off your meds, get more sleep, don’t worry so much–it’ll all work out! And you really need to eat more vegetables, fresh foods, healthy animal fats, fish oil, and take these vitaminerals. And come back and see me in a month or two.”
“Next doc please!” (What should I charge?)
Out of new DSM disorders allegedly being proposed, the one that gets me the most is ‘compulsive shopping disorder’ (self-described ‘retail therapy’), which they have already tried to get Celexa approved for, but psychiatrists thought it was going a ‘bit too far’.
It brings up images of doped shoppers who can barely negotiate the tile floor of the mall, as the lights begin to waver, and they lay down on the nearest…bench, well, floor. Street dope could achieve the same thing. How about a stiff drink before shopping so you can’t make it through the front door?
Psychiatry is beyond out-of-control, it is fundamentally out-of-touch with reality–the real needs and workings of our bodies and brains–their natural needs to function well.
We could say, with a little bit of jest and a lot of truth that psychiatry is certifiably ‘delusional’ or even insane. I’d volunteer for the certification body to determine who’s nuts and whose nut. Not nuts, I mean. Knot.
In reality, modern psychiatry IS doing great harm, as explained in the new blockbuster expose by Robert Whitaker.
His new book is an extensive statistical analysis of psych drug use long-term, beyond the usual 3 months or 1-2 years. ‘Anatomy of an Illness: Magic Bullets, Psych Drugs, and the Astonishing Increase in Mental Illness in America’ lays out the evidence for ongoing brain damage from major psychiatric drugs, which could explain much of the ‘increase in mental illnesses’.
It’s a growth industry, you know! Just out this year, Whitaker’s book and his findings are creating quite a bit of controversy in the field of intentional wealth, I mean mental health.
This all could easily qualify the field and practitioners of psychiatry as legitimately INSANE, and maybe even criminally since psychiatry as a ‘therapeutic modality’ is actually non-therapeutic, moving many people backwards or sideways, some forward, but also doing much physical harm on a daily basis. and harmful practice being foisted on people who naively ‘trust their doctor’ .
the way to get out of this is to understand that people do actually develop biochemical deficits of essential nutrients necessary for brain function either as enzyme, co-enzymes, amino acids as base for neurotransmitter production, and even minerals like Zinc, which is involved in producing critical neurotransmitters from the major NT groups. Zinc is worn down by stress. Do you see what I’m driving at? Biochemicals in insufficient quantities (almost universal in America today on our industrially nutrient-poor diet) do cause/predispose/contribute to metabolic problems such as poor brain function, the grossly mislabeled ‘mental illnesses’.
Though this situation is really absurd and sad, millions more Americans will be diagnosed with new disorders this year, especially children and seniors, the new growth sectors for Big Pharma.
If you want to learn more about what is really going on, I am a certified Nutritional Therapy Practitioner in Corvallis, Oregon. I associate with a woman who is at the head of this field of ‘Orthomolecular Psychiatry’, which basically is a blend of common sense, tradition, and the best, most probing and open-minded scientists and doctors on earth, i would venture to say. They are legitimately open and even very critical if they see a colleague or themselves (grammar) have ideas needing fine tuning or revamping or rejection (www.orthomed.org). They also have a new video available on their site.
Orthomolecular, because it is so advanced and so effective in addressing the causes of disease, with regular success of 75-85% in alleviating symptoms of most all, if not all, major disorders of body and mental function.
Somehow, as a society, we have to understand that our health care system has failed miserably, not despite great expense allocated to allopathic drug development, convoluted efforts to focus on advanced disease while ignoring that humble little thing called ‘health’ and traditions (like growing and eating natural foods), but…precisely because of those things.
Too much money corrupts anything, as you know, and health care is at the top of the list of dysfunction and need for reform. They’ve had their eye obsessively on the ball, but in the wrong sports, and have forgotten how to run, walk, or even get to the exit. It’s nuts.
Orthomolecular and nutritional medicine and use of natural and organic foods plus therapeutic dose nutritional supplements is far superior medicine for the wide variety of disorders. It needs to be invested in and develope, though, so it can be available to the public as a viable, affordable, and recognized alternative, then become mainstream as we start to learn what we have been missing. Do you have any suggestions about developing and funding this little used and unrecognized branch of medicine to get it going in our society, which is suffering greatly, as you know. It is a huge economic and health opportunity just waiting to be plumbed by ‘the smart ones’. I work with a woman who is heads above the entire medical field and 98% of its docs, but lives in virtual poverty in a ramshackle house.
Her books on ‘Natural Healing for Bipolar Disorder: A Compendium of Nutritional Approaches’ and an analogous gem on ‘Natural Healing for Schizophrenia’ should be required reading in all medical schools because the knowledge presented is so critical, not just for brain function, but for whole body health as well–they ARE connected, last time I checked! BUT Psychiatry hasn’t figured that out yet! No comment about which end is up with them…
Psychiatry as a field has been on this weird chemical jag, for, well, about 100 years, and most intensively (and most delusional?) in the last 60.
Psychiatrists are well known and very busy these days, but most people have never even heard of Eva Edelman (the nutritional researcher, consultant, and practitioner who wrote these unbelievably cool, nicely-put, highly scientific, and interestingly framed guides to natural healing using the most cheap, safe, and effective medicine of all–food and nutritional supplements.
Bingo! That’s it. Conceptually, it’s fairly simple to understand this major need and how using nutrition is a major unplumbed gem for tomorrow’s ‘health care’ professionals. Ms. Edelman’s natural encyclopedias take us into the portals of the human body in very nice order and approachable complexity.
But it blows my mind how sick people with a variety of coping problems and mental complaints in her own town have not even heard of her. In a way, it’s like Jesus being unknown in Bethelem. Seriously, little exaggeration. “Who was the guy the 3 wise men came to see?” ‘I don’t know’ would be the reply…Sad, but true.
This is what we have allowed in our society as people associate everything worthy of the biggest coolness and value with money and the ability to make it, regardless of the consequences, for us, our children, the environment, and our future as living, breathing, healthy, and productive beings…
…If you can, write back with your comments or suggestions. Americans need to come together more as we are being divided mostly artificially, for no good reason, and we must help each other now, because there is no place to go to escape the consequences of all our actions. I will await your reasoned reply.
YOURS, Chris Take care.
September 25th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
whats the government disorder for twisting the the amendments in the constitution to pass unconstitutional laws?
September 25th, 2010 at 7:45 pm
Well, hell, I guess most of us INTJs (see MBTI or Keirsey Type Indicator) are suffering from a “disorder,” then. Gee, do you think there might be a disorder which causes one to see disorders everywhere and is exclusive to the psychiatric “profession”? How about a mental disorder which causes intellectual suicide and wrecks havoc to the fabric of one’s civilisation?
September 25th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
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September 27th, 2010 at 12:04 am
or we could just go back to the not so remote history when psychiatry was considered horse poop and not a real science. everyone would just eye them with suspicion and ignore their proclamations.
September 27th, 2010 at 4:08 pm
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September 27th, 2010 at 4:31 pm
It would seem that anyone that campaigns against or votes against the politions in office has a mental disorder.
J.B.
September 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Bad Cyborg . . . You claim “ODD” is a genuine pathology, but then you say it’s just being “pissed off at the world”, then you add that you believe his circumstances suggest that this was a perfectly rational reaction. You’ve destroyed your argument twice over, yet you don’t seem to realise it. I suggest you have a good long think about the entirely BOGUS diagnosis of ODD.
September 28th, 2010 at 1:27 am
I think there is strong evidence that fluorescent lights cause discomfort, “attention defecit disorder” (ADD), and other problems. They can trigger epilepsy. Personally I think I have developed a twitch in my eye because of them.
People blame the children or these pseudo-diseases like ADD, but the real problem is the unnatural and harmful conditions under which children are expected to learn.
Boring teaching and poor discipline methods might have something to do with it also.
“Save the world – shoot a psychiatrist.” no not really, but that’s how I feel sometimes!
September 28th, 2010 at 8:36 am
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October 3rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm
Actually, Robert (see above), if Patrick Henry were alive today, he’d be locked up with all the rest of the founders for high treason. “Give me liberty or give me Prozac” would be the new battle cry.
October 4th, 2010 at 6:48 am
ODD is not a “new” disorder invented for the latest Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of “mental” illnesses. It has been around for some considerable time.
Like all DSM disorders, it is a syndrome of behaviours which cohere in a statistically validated whole, like the syndromes of physical illnesses like Pick’s disease, Alheizhiemers, Korsakov’s and Broca’s Aphasia. A child will not qualify for a diagnosis of ODD simply by questioning authority. If that were the case, most potential scientists would be labeled this way
They aren’t.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
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October 6th, 2010 at 6:35 pm
Ah the Inquisitors are back from the dark ages.!!
October 6th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
Psychiatry is Medicine of the soul, but most psychiatrists do not know what a soul is, so how can they diagnose all these dis-eases?
October 6th, 2010 at 7:08 pm
http://www.chelationtherapyonline.com/anatomy/p21.htm
Invented Psychiatric “Diseases” — Called “Disorders”
October 9th, 2010 at 7:31 pm
As someone who has suffered and dealt with a mental disorder personally his whole life, I can say from experience that receiving proper psychiatric treatment is integral to being able to live a healthy and somewhat normal life. Not giving children the proper medical care when they need it, regardless of whether it is proper mental care or proper physical care, is child abuse. Anyone who thinks different is just another conservative nutbag who has a misguided problem with progress.
And for the record, I really don’t think this article does justice to the DSM-IV, which is a legitimate psychiatric resource for health care professionals. Of course, how can you expect fairness and impartiality from someone so obviously biased against reason.
October 9th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
God help us; I’ve been suspicious of this Oppositional Defiance Disorder thing for years and now the truth prevails… they are adding symptoms to treat that are actually healthy things.
October 17th, 2010 at 3:41 am
Before thinking that this is true, you should actually pull out the DSM-IV-TR and read what the diagnostic criteria are. When it says violating social norms, it means rape, murder, destruction of property, physically harming others, etc. You can be individualistic, but that gives no one the right to hurt another person. As far as the revisions go, they are being made to make the disorders less stigmatizing and more diagnosable. This gets rid of people being falsely diagnosed. Another goal is to remove disorders that currently pathologize behavior that is not “wrong” or “weird.” The fact that so many people interpret these things INCORRECTLY is exactly why there is such a stigma towards those with a mental disorder. If you don’t understand what you are talking about, you shouldn’t be talking about it. You are just adding to the problem.
October 17th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
First a ‘Politics’ disection:
Poli is Greek –means Mutiple.
Ticks are insects,the blood-sucking type.
There is no casualness about the word they
sub-liminally chose.
Do away with free-thinkers is an old past time through-out history…the agenda was always the same, unchanging…
Only the ways of getting rid of heretics had been nicely altered to disguise it. Free thinkers are a threat period, and always will be.
October 20th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Great article. I agree with about 90% of this, but, for the record, Antisocial disorder has been in the DSM for quite some time and definitely SHOULD be in there. It’s also known as Sociopathy!
October 24th, 2010 at 9:20 am
GREAT !
Proud To Be A ODD
Roby
October 29th, 2010 at 9:38 am
The DSM is a consensus-science handbook designed to legitimize pharmaceuticals and manipulate human civilization into an easily controlled servant class
October 29th, 2010 at 4:55 pm
Any critique of the DSM (the latest or the earlier ones) is incomplete without a brief analysis of the industry ties of the psychiatrists who actually write these books. The conflict involved for the DSM writers more than invalidates their offering. If we are going to use a standardized diagnosis manual (in order to better communicate with each other as psychiatrists, other professionals and citizens) we need non-tainted writers for these definitions.
October 29th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
I love it! We have 3 teenagers in our house and we call ODD “Teenage Personality Disorder” or Cranial Rectitus. Often characterized by a lack of common sense, unwillingness to listen to anybody with common sense, tremendous self-absorption and a know it all/been there, done that, attitude. It is not fatal but temporary (lasting from ages 13-19) and recovery is noticed when parents hear a loud, popping sound as their head emerges from their backside.
November 2nd, 2010 at 11:17 am
i can claim sickness benefits for the rest of my life now
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:51 pm
Texas Constitution – Bill of Rights.
SEC. 2. All political power is inherent in the people and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
November 13th, 2010 at 2:19 am
That is the biggest load of shit ive heard in a while… Just another way for the government to try and control what you think and feel.. Sadly, majority of people will accept it.
December 23rd, 2010 at 8:15 pm
[...] evidence. Case in point, if you are rebellious, you are “stigmatized” with the label “oppositional defiant disorder.” If your kid acts like a kid he is “stigmatized” with the label “ADHD.” If you are sad, [...]
January 14th, 2011 at 1:56 am
WOW!!! I am so glad and honored to know that there are so many people out there that see things the way I see them. WOW!! Every single one of you ROCK. I am a Mental Health Therapist , A good One , I might add, and this is a constant struggle in my practise..CCHR Is Awesome if you experience or witness any abuse of any kind.. I love you Guys!!! Good Luck in Life…
February 11th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
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April 15th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
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July 15th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
You are not seeing the true perpetrators.
Remember money is always the key. And the trail always leads back to the pharmeceutical giants.
They have slowed the pace of medical advancement
for decades by controlling the MDs.
Now that these sheep are in the flock,funded, paid (depends on how you look at it) by PHARMA, they are relesing their agents to do their bidding.
Almost as if they created “sleepers” or terrorist cells.
For medical research and labeling of this nature is truely terrorism.
July 15th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
You are not seeing the true perpetrators.
Remember money is always the key. And the trail always leads back to the pharmeceutical giants.
They have slowed the pace of medical advancement
for decades by controlling the MDs.
Now that these sheep are in the flock,funded, paid (depends on how you look at it) by PHARMA, they are relesing their agents to do their bidding.
Almost as if they created “sleepers” or terrorist cells.
For medical research and labeling of this nature is truely terrorism.
July 29th, 2011 at 5:33 am
THX1138, anyone?
July 31st, 2011 at 3:21 am
Actually they don’t bother to use the DSM IV on the growing number of people who oppose Brain Washington. They just call us “potential terrorists”. Great article but you ruined it by adding that bull at the end about the Nazis killing 180K psych patients. That simply did not happen and there is no document you can produce to prove so. I’ll make a lifetime offer. If you can produce such a document please email it to me and I’ll eat my hat